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		<title>By: Stefan palmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stefan palmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2012 05:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thankyou so much my email is stefan.d.palmer@gmail.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thankyou so much my email is <a href="mailto:stefan.d.palmer@gmail.com">stefan.d.palmer@gmail.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Thad Roberts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thad Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jan 2012 22:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Stefan,
Its great to hear about your excitement. I believe that everyone can be a part of the amazing quest to uncover the truth and peer behind the veil. We all have what it takes to ask questions and try to make sense of the big mysteries of our time. I see the end goal as desirable, but the journey as the real treasure. Thanks for joining the journey. I look forward to seeing where it takes us. If you are interested in reading a preprint of my book, please email me and I&#039;ll forward a pdf to you.
Thad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Stefan,<br />
Its great to hear about your excitement. I believe that everyone can be a part of the amazing quest to uncover the truth and peer behind the veil. We all have what it takes to ask questions and try to make sense of the big mysteries of our time. I see the end goal as desirable, but the journey as the real treasure. Thanks for joining the journey. I look forward to seeing where it takes us. If you are interested in reading a preprint of my book, please email me and I’ll forward a pdf to you.<br />
Thad</p>
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		<title>By: Stefan palmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stefan palmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jan 2012 14:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a student at weber state majoring in sales so needless to say i know nothing about quantum physics.  In fact i hadnt even heard of it until i got home late one night and stumbled across you and this sweet website.  I have always been fascinated by space and how this world goes round.  But i have always assumed that all of that stuff was over my head, but you lay out information that is so complex so simply that a dumb ass sales major can follow what you are teaching.  I am not being humble just realistic when i say i will never be able to make the discoveries you have, but i am so thankful you are willing to share your knowledge with me.  If we all put our energy into helping each other a long we would be so much better off.  Thx for doing just that, and i will keep my eyes open for any updates or discoveries you have made.  The only complaint that i have is its 730 a.m. And i have to get up at 9 but i cant get off this damn website to go to sleep because of how fascinating the discoveries that you have made are.   Thx again</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a student at weber state majoring in sales so needless to say i know nothing about quantum physics.  In fact i hadnt even heard of it until i got home late one night and stumbled across you and this sweet website.  I have always been fascinated by space and how this world goes round.  But i have always assumed that all of that stuff was over my head, but you lay out information that is so complex so simply that a dumb ass sales major can follow what you are teaching.  I am not being humble just realistic when i say i will never be able to make the discoveries you have, but i am so thankful you are willing to share your knowledge with me.  If we all put our energy into helping each other a long we would be so much better off.  Thx for doing just that, and i will keep my eyes open for any updates or discoveries you have made.  The only complaint that i have is its 730 a.m. And i have to get up at 9 but i cant get off this damn website to go to sleep because of how fascinating the discoveries that you have made are.   Thx again</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
		<link>http://einsteinsintuition.com/2010/conversations-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-4953</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 23:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh great. I&#039;m excited to dig into it. I&#039;ll be sure to let you know if I have further questions</description>
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		<title>By: Thad Roberts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thad Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2011 01:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephen,
I&#039;ve emailed you a pre-print pdf copy of the book. Please let me know if you didn&#039;t receive it (its a rather large file). Chapters 12 and 13 should adequately address your question about how qst makes sense of particle/wave duality. I think you&#039;ll be delighted to discover the solution it posits. I might add that Bohmian mechanics offers a rather interesting ontological perspective on the whole particle/wave topic. You might be interested in investigating that a bit also. The two perspectives have a lot in common.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen,<br />
I’ve emailed you a pre-print pdf copy of the book. Please let me know if you didn’t receive it (its a rather large file). Chapters 12 and 13 should adequately address your question about how qst makes sense of particle/wave duality. I think you’ll be delighted to discover the solution it posits. I might add that Bohmian mechanics offers a rather interesting ontological perspective on the whole particle/wave topic. You might be interested in investigating that a bit also. The two perspectives have a lot in common.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
		<link>http://einsteinsintuition.com/2010/conversations-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-4767</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Oct 2011 23:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Thad, this is immensely illuminating. I have to repeat that I&#039;m really excited by the prospect of this theory. Murray Gell-Mann says that &quot;there is a common experience in theoretical physics: that BEAUTY is often a very succesful criterion for choosing the right theory&quot; and there is no doubt that qst provides an example of a very beautiful explanation of the construct of our universe. I&#039;ll definitely be watching to see where this theory takes us in the coming years. I&#039;m sure that we&#039;ll hear a lot more from people once your book is published.

Also, is there any illumination that qst can cast on young&#039;s double-slit experiment? If you can&#039;t tell already your new theory is making me so curious about so many persisting physics questions and how it might be able to help us understand them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Thad, this is immensely illuminating. I have to repeat that I’m really excited by the prospect of this theory. Murray Gell-Mann says that “there is a common experience in theoretical physics: that BEAUTY is often a very succesful criterion for choosing the right theory” and there is no doubt that qst provides an example of a very beautiful explanation of the construct of our universe. I’ll definitely be watching to see where this theory takes us in the coming years. I’m sure that we’ll hear a lot more from people once your book is published.</p>
<p>Also, is there any illumination that qst can cast on young’s double-slit experiment? If you can’t tell already your new theory is making me so curious about so many persisting physics questions and how it might be able to help us understand them.</p>
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		<title>By: Thad Roberts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thad Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 19:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Stephen,

Thank you for your message.

First off, let me apologize for the late response. I have been at the bottom of the Grand Canyon, exploring a land full of mysteries and beauty. It was an amazing experience.

In response to your questions:

We share your excitement and curiosity about this theory, and look forward to seeing how it with be either supported or refuted by science. We might, however, point out that this is different from being excited about refutation or support from the current scientific community. Because science is made up of a compilation of research programs, it is an active social entity - carrying several social pressures that can lead it astray in any given point in time. Nevertheless, because science is a self-correcting machine, over the long haul it will correct itself toward a more clear and accurate picture. That is to say that if the current climate in the scientific community was such that it immediately accepted qst, this would not in and of itself provide concrete support that qst is an accurate reflection of Nature. Neither would its immediate rejection (there are several historical examples of theories that we now accept that were rejected by the scientific community at large in the time (and social climate) that they were first proposed in). What really matters is - does qst accurately map the true structure of Nature? We are hopeful that we will secure a clear, non-biased answer to that question in time.

You asked how qst plays into the emergence of the forces during the first moments of the Big Bang... The answer is a beautiful example of how qst gives us incredible intuitive access to rather complex ideas. First, let me note that current thought suggests that as we run the clock back toward the Big Bang, there are symmetries that go from broken to unbroken. Translating this into English, this means that as we approach that first moment we go from having distinctly recognizable forces (four of them) to forces that merge in their descriptions. As we approach the first moment (after the Big Bang) all four forces gain complete symmetry with the background metric. They can no longer be teased apart in this state. This special axiomatic state of the Universe is responsible for the fact that the forces are no longer indistinguishable from the metric.

In qst, this situation is made more clear. In this model it is suggested that in that first moment, all the quanta that make up our universe were compressed together (by an external collision by another universe). Because of this there were no uniquely acting quanta (locations) in the universe in this moment. The whole collection acted like a singularity, but instead of reaching this state by losing energy and maximizing entropy, it represented a highly energetic state with minimal entropy (because of its external cause). Because all the quanta acted in unison, there was in effect, only one unique x, y, z location at this point in time. The significant result of this geometric condition (as per our current discussion), is that it was not possible to have spatial density gradients in this moment, nor was it possible to have any waves propagating through the x, y, z medium, or little whirlpools of mixing, etc. The entire axiomatic set of quanta were rigidly locked together. This is why there were no distinguishable forces from the background metric. As the rebound occurred, and the quanta that make up the x, y, z volume of our universe began to separate, the number of independently acting locations in the universe exponentially multiplied, and the geometric distortions that we refer to as forces became geometrically possible. 

Please let me know if that helped.

About your question about why qst has not taken hold in the scientific community yet... a little background might help here. Scientific progress is a messy thing. In part, this has to do with the demarcation problem (the task of being able to identify scientific endeavors from pseudoscientific endeavors). Karl Popper famously tried to help speed science along, and overcome this problem, with the suggestion that what makes something science is that it is falsifiable. This has been a popular criterion of science ever since. I am certainly drawn towards the claim that a theoretical construct should make claims that can be falsified before we put our full trust into it. However, as has been pointed out, Popper&#039;s criterion cannot actually distinguish scientific endeavors from pseudoscientific ones. There are fields that we all feel comfortable labeling pseudoscientific that make falsifiable claims. But more importantly, all fields considered scientific rest on axioms, assumptions, and non-falsifiable statements that play a fundamental role in their construction. If we are expected to abandon all theories that contain non-falsifiable statements, then there would be no identifiable sciences at all. In response to this some have grasped for the idea that there is some sort of art to picking the axioms beneath a theory - those that perform that art too loosely fall out of the range of science. This idea lead Thomas Kuhn to conjecture that what it meant to be scientific was to conform to the current scientific paradigm. In this view science becomes merely a social construct that shifts with the tides of time. Paul Feyerabend and Imre Lakatos later wrestled with these issues and came to the conclusion that science is not an autonomous form of reasoning, but is inseparable from the larger body of human thought and inquiry. They determined that because science is a human endeavor questions of truth and falsity are not uniquely empirical. 

All of this has led to the general recognition that the demarcation problem is intractable. In response Paul Thagard has suggested that we alter our focus and deem a theory as non-scientific if it satisfies the following two conditions:

1 - It is unpromising: The theory has been less progressive than alternative theories over a long period of time, and faces many unsolved problems: and
2 - It doesn&#039;t adhere to the Scientific Method: The community of practitioners makes little attempt to develop the theory towards solutions of the problems, shows no concern for attempts to evaluate the theory in relation to others, and is selective in considering confirmations and disconfirmations.

Note that the first criteria requires long periods of time.

Certainly, in reference to this evaluation qst is in a scientific vein. However, according to this criteria a &quot;long period of time&quot; must pass before we can expect it to have secured a place for itself in scientific history. 

Cutting through all of this philosophy of science, I suspect that the answer to your question has a lot to do with the fact that the majority of practicing scientists are not fully aware of the intricacies of theory construction, or the full history of the demarcation problem. Many scientists have communicated with me about the value they see in this theory. Others have found this theory objectionable based on an emotional fear that it might disagree with currently popular agendas. For some reason these individuals try to undermine the credibility of qst by resting on Popper&#039;s falsifiability requirement, which I find strange since there are many many ways in which qst can be falsified.

All in all, however, I believe that the biggest reason qst has not yet taken off to a mainstream platform is that it is new. We simply need to give it more time and keep spreading the word. It may also have a bit of a harder time taking off than we might expect because it was mostly developed during some intense years of research while I was in prison. Nevertheless, I am confident in the self-correcting method of science, and I believe that it will eventually fully evaluate the richness of this theory. 

Just before he passed away, I was in communication with Benoît Mandelbrot, the father of fractals. We discussed the fractal structure of qst and he granted it his blessing to the idea. Mandelbrot was a man that gave the world a new idea, and he gave it to them in a non-traditional way. After professional scientists outright rejected his idea, Mandelbrot continued to develop his insight and share his idea until its practical powers were undenyable. The world at large became familiar with fractals and began to use them in electronic designs, biological calculations, and more. Then and only then, did the research program of formal Mathematics accept the importance of Mandelbrot&#039;s ideas. The lesson I take from this is that, if an idea is useful and brings us closer to the truth, it will eventually be heard.

Thanks for your interest.

Also, if you want to read more, I&#039;d be happy to email you pre-print pdf copy of the entire book.

Sincerely,
Thad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Stephen,</p>
<p>Thank you for your message.</p>
<p>First off, let me apologize for the late response. I have been at the bottom of the Grand Canyon, exploring a land full of mysteries and beauty. It was an amazing experience.</p>
<p>In response to your questions:</p>
<p>We share your excitement and curiosity about this theory, and look forward to seeing how it with be either supported or refuted by science. We might, however, point out that this is different from being excited about refutation or support from the current scientific community. Because science is made up of a compilation of research programs, it is an active social entity – carrying several social pressures that can lead it astray in any given point in time. Nevertheless, because science is a self-correcting machine, over the long haul it will correct itself toward a more clear and accurate picture. That is to say that if the current climate in the scientific community was such that it immediately accepted qst, this would not in and of itself provide concrete support that qst is an accurate reflection of Nature. Neither would its immediate rejection (there are several historical examples of theories that we now accept that were rejected by the scientific community at large in the time (and social climate) that they were first proposed in). What really matters is – does qst accurately map the true structure of Nature? We are hopeful that we will secure a clear, non-biased answer to that question in time.</p>
<p>You asked how qst plays into the emergence of the forces during the first moments of the Big Bang… The answer is a beautiful example of how qst gives us incredible intuitive access to rather complex ideas. First, let me note that current thought suggests that as we run the clock back toward the Big Bang, there are symmetries that go from broken to unbroken. Translating this into English, this means that as we approach that first moment we go from having distinctly recognizable forces (four of them) to forces that merge in their descriptions. As we approach the first moment (after the Big Bang) all four forces gain complete symmetry with the background metric. They can no longer be teased apart in this state. This special axiomatic state of the Universe is responsible for the fact that the forces are no longer indistinguishable from the metric.</p>
<p>In qst, this situation is made more clear. In this model it is suggested that in that first moment, all the quanta that make up our universe were compressed together (by an external collision by another universe). Because of this there were no uniquely acting quanta (locations) in the universe in this moment. The whole collection acted like a singularity, but instead of reaching this state by losing energy and maximizing entropy, it represented a highly energetic state with minimal entropy (because of its external cause). Because all the quanta acted in unison, there was in effect, only one unique x, y, z location at this point in time. The significant result of this geometric condition (as per our current discussion), is that it was not possible to have spatial density gradients in this moment, nor was it possible to have any waves propagating through the x, y, z medium, or little whirlpools of mixing, etc. The entire axiomatic set of quanta were rigidly locked together. This is why there were no distinguishable forces from the background metric. As the rebound occurred, and the quanta that make up the x, y, z volume of our universe began to separate, the number of independently acting locations in the universe exponentially multiplied, and the geometric distortions that we refer to as forces became geometrically possible. </p>
<p>Please let me know if that helped.</p>
<p>About your question about why qst has not taken hold in the scientific community yet… a little background might help here. Scientific progress is a messy thing. In part, this has to do with the demarcation problem (the task of being able to identify scientific endeavors from pseudoscientific endeavors). Karl Popper famously tried to help speed science along, and overcome this problem, with the suggestion that what makes something science is that it is falsifiable. This has been a popular criterion of science ever since. I am certainly drawn towards the claim that a theoretical construct should make claims that can be falsified before we put our full trust into it. However, as has been pointed out, Popper’s criterion cannot actually distinguish scientific endeavors from pseudoscientific ones. There are fields that we all feel comfortable labeling pseudoscientific that make falsifiable claims. But more importantly, all fields considered scientific rest on axioms, assumptions, and non-falsifiable statements that play a fundamental role in their construction. If we are expected to abandon all theories that contain non-falsifiable statements, then there would be no identifiable sciences at all. In response to this some have grasped for the idea that there is some sort of art to picking the axioms beneath a theory – those that perform that art too loosely fall out of the range of science. This idea lead Thomas Kuhn to conjecture that what it meant to be scientific was to conform to the current scientific paradigm. In this view science becomes merely a social construct that shifts with the tides of time. Paul Feyerabend and Imre Lakatos later wrestled with these issues and came to the conclusion that science is not an autonomous form of reasoning, but is inseparable from the larger body of human thought and inquiry. They determined that because science is a human endeavor questions of truth and falsity are not uniquely empirical. </p>
<p>All of this has led to the general recognition that the demarcation problem is intractable. In response Paul Thagard has suggested that we alter our focus and deem a theory as non-scientific if it satisfies the following two conditions:</p>
<p>1 – It is unpromising: The theory has been less progressive than alternative theories over a long period of time, and faces many unsolved problems: and<br />
2 – It doesn’t adhere to the Scientific Method: The community of practitioners makes little attempt to develop the theory towards solutions of the problems, shows no concern for attempts to evaluate the theory in relation to others, and is selective in considering confirmations and disconfirmations.</p>
<p>Note that the first criteria requires long periods of time.</p>
<p>Certainly, in reference to this evaluation qst is in a scientific vein. However, according to this criteria a “long period of time” must pass before we can expect it to have secured a place for itself in scientific history. </p>
<p>Cutting through all of this philosophy of science, I suspect that the answer to your question has a lot to do with the fact that the majority of practicing scientists are not fully aware of the intricacies of theory construction, or the full history of the demarcation problem. Many scientists have communicated with me about the value they see in this theory. Others have found this theory objectionable based on an emotional fear that it might disagree with currently popular agendas. For some reason these individuals try to undermine the credibility of qst by resting on Popper’s falsifiability requirement, which I find strange since there are many many ways in which qst can be falsified.</p>
<p>All in all, however, I believe that the biggest reason qst has not yet taken off to a mainstream platform is that it is new. We simply need to give it more time and keep spreading the word. It may also have a bit of a harder time taking off than we might expect because it was mostly developed during some intense years of research while I was in prison. Nevertheless, I am confident in the self-correcting method of science, and I believe that it will eventually fully evaluate the richness of this theory. </p>
<p>Just before he passed away, I was in communication with Benoît Mandelbrot, the father of fractals. We discussed the fractal structure of qst and he granted it his blessing to the idea. Mandelbrot was a man that gave the world a new idea, and he gave it to them in a non-traditional way. After professional scientists outright rejected his idea, Mandelbrot continued to develop his insight and share his idea until its practical powers were undenyable. The world at large became familiar with fractals and began to use them in electronic designs, biological calculations, and more. Then and only then, did the research program of formal Mathematics accept the importance of Mandelbrot’s ideas. The lesson I take from this is that, if an idea is useful and brings us closer to the truth, it will eventually be heard.</p>
<p>Thanks for your interest.</p>
<p>Also, if you want to read more, I’d be happy to email you pre-print pdf copy of the entire book.</p>
<p>Sincerely,<br />
Thad</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 17:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This question is for Thad, or for whomever can answer it. I&#039;m really impressed with all of this. It&#039;s definitely very convincing and I&#039;m really looking forward to seeing how this is either supported or refuted within the scientific community. The main question I have though, is how does QST play into the emergence of the forces during the first moments of the Big Bang? I know that theoretical physics holds that the fundamental forces emerged as a consequence of the Big Bang and were not immediately present at the inception of the universe. I&#039;m just wondering if QST affords a comprehensive explanation for this. If there is would you mind sharing that with me? Also, if there isn&#039;t a comprehensive explanation, could you explain how they figure that the fundamental forces were not present at the genesis of the universe?

Also, I&#039;ve been searching the web and haven&#039;t really been able to find a lot on QST other than on your website. I&#039;m just wondering why such an interesting idea hasn&#039;t taken hold in the scientific community and why no one has openly talked about this theory of yours. Do you know why this is the case? I&#039;d love to hear more about this. I&#039;ve been gobbling up your website watched both your conversation pieces and the TED talk, which will hopefully make these ideas more public, and I&#039;m really excited by the prospects of QST and what it can mean for the breadth of human knowledge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This question is for Thad, or for whomever can answer it. I’m really impressed with all of this. It’s definitely very convincing and I’m really looking forward to seeing how this is either supported or refuted within the scientific community. The main question I have though, is how does QST play into the emergence of the forces during the first moments of the Big Bang? I know that theoretical physics holds that the fundamental forces emerged as a consequence of the Big Bang and were not immediately present at the inception of the universe. I’m just wondering if QST affords a comprehensive explanation for this. If there is would you mind sharing that with me? Also, if there isn’t a comprehensive explanation, could you explain how they figure that the fundamental forces were not present at the genesis of the universe?</p>
<p>Also, I’ve been searching the web and haven’t really been able to find a lot on QST other than on your website. I’m just wondering why such an interesting idea hasn’t taken hold in the scientific community and why no one has openly talked about this theory of yours. Do you know why this is the case? I’d love to hear more about this. I’ve been gobbling up your website watched both your conversation pieces and the TED talk, which will hopefully make these ideas more public, and I’m really excited by the prospects of QST and what it can mean for the breadth of human knowledge.</p>
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		<title>By: Thad Roberts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thad Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Sep 2011 18:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are correct to say that shortest distance can be measured by using a calculus of variation, so long as the metric we are talking about is smooth and connected. In a quantized metric the issue can get a little more complicated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are correct to say that shortest distance can be measured by using a calculus of variation, so long as the metric we are talking about is smooth and connected. In a quantized metric the issue can get a little more complicated.</p>
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		<title>By: chandan srivastava</title>
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		<description>shortest distence can be measure by calculus of variation .</description>
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