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	<title>Comments on: The Metaphysics underneath Physics</title>
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		<title>By: Thad Roberts</title>
		<link>http://einsteinsintuition.com/2010/upcoming-lecture-april-19th/comment-page-1/#comment-2934</link>
		<dc:creator>Thad Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2011 19:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In short, I would say that what is being added is a focus on coming back to an intuitively accessible model of Nature. Quantum gravity, loop quantum gravity, quantum geometry, superstring theory etc., may give us mathematics to test things against, and in as much as they line up with our statistical measurements they allow us to have statistical predictability, but they do not give us any satisfactory answers to our metaphysical questions. 

You are correct to point out that qst has been mainly introduced from a metaphysical position. In my opinion, the philosophical questions that drive our science ought to be held above all else in our quest. This is metaphysics. Any discussion about the Nature of Nature is metaphysics. Since our goal is to end up with a map of reality, one that can convey to us why things are as they are, we necessarily do metaphysics. 

Of course, at this point, we do not have our full formalism, so we can not yet say whether or not the metaphysical answers that qst provides actually line up with how things are. Nevertheless, we are excited about the theory as it currently stands because it comes with a full set of metaphysical solutions.

That being said, you are fully entitled to your critique. Thank you for your thoughts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In short, I would say that what is being added is a focus on coming back to an intuitively accessible model of Nature. Quantum gravity, loop quantum gravity, quantum geometry, superstring theory etc., may give us mathematics to test things against, and in as much as they line up with our statistical measurements they allow us to have statistical predictability, but they do not give us any satisfactory answers to our metaphysical questions. </p>
<p>You are correct to point out that qst has been mainly introduced from a metaphysical position. In my opinion, the philosophical questions that drive our science ought to be held above all else in our quest. This is metaphysics. Any discussion about the Nature of Nature is metaphysics. Since our goal is to end up with a map of reality, one that can convey to us why things are as they are, we necessarily do metaphysics. </p>
<p>Of course, at this point, we do not have our full formalism, so we can not yet say whether or not the metaphysical answers that qst provides actually line up with how things are. Nevertheless, we are excited about the theory as it currently stands because it comes with a full set of metaphysical solutions.</p>
<p>That being said, you are fully entitled to your critique. Thank you for your thoughts.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2011 00:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After reviewing the available qst material, I&#039;m rather nonplussed.

The basic idea of &quot;Thad&#039;s&quot; theory seems to be little different than existing theories of quantized spacetime and quantum geometry, that already have fairly well developed mathematical formalisms.

So...I&#039;m wondering what exactly Thad&#039;s &quot;theory of qst&quot; is adding to the discussion and the science.

My intent is not to attack, but the material presented on this website doesn&#039;t yet have any mathematical rigor or framework supporting it, and seems to invoke ideas and concepts that seem &quot;cool&quot; for their own sake, rather than because they emerge from or motivated by a coherent mathematical framework (e.g., the fractal nature of spacetime).

Most of the excerpted material provided on the book seem more metaphysics than physics--that is, it has more in common with, say, &quot;The Dancing Wu Li Masters&quot; than an actual text on physics theory.

Don&#039;t misunderstand, my point is not to be dismissive because you don&#039;t present a mathematical formalism.  

My point is that these kinds of theories have already been proposed and developed, with mathematical formalisms (quantum gravity, loop quantum gravity, quantum geometry, string theory, etc....)--so, again, what does Thad&#039;s theory add to the discussion?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reviewing the available qst material, I’m rather nonplussed.</p>
<p>The basic idea of “Thad’s” theory seems to be little different than existing theories of quantized spacetime and quantum geometry, that already have fairly well developed mathematical formalisms.</p>
<p>So…I’m wondering what exactly Thad’s “theory of qst” is adding to the discussion and the science.</p>
<p>My intent is not to attack, but the material presented on this website doesn’t yet have any mathematical rigor or framework supporting it, and seems to invoke ideas and concepts that seem “cool” for their own sake, rather than because they emerge from or motivated by a coherent mathematical framework (e.g., the fractal nature of spacetime).</p>
<p>Most of the excerpted material provided on the book seem more metaphysics than physics–that is, it has more in common with, say, “The Dancing Wu Li Masters” than an actual text on physics theory.</p>
<p>Don’t misunderstand, my point is not to be dismissive because you don’t present a mathematical formalism.  </p>
<p>My point is that these kinds of theories have already been proposed and developed, with mathematical formalisms (quantum gravity, loop quantum gravity, quantum geometry, string theory, etc….)–so, again, what does Thad’s theory add to the discussion?</p>
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		<title>By: Geo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 07:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Might I suggest a grammar checker also?</description>
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		<title>By: Geo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 06:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All right, I wasn&#039;t going to do this, but I changed my mind. Thad&#039;s a big boy and can defend himself, but I feel I must address your personal attack on him. Let&#039;s just look through your comment piece by piece:

&lt;em&gt;-- Thad is a joke... &lt;/em&gt;

Well put, well stated. You won&#039;t be winning the Pulitzer any time soon.

&lt;em&gt;-- ...just because someone makes up a bunch of crap...does not make it true, or even reasonable in this case.&lt;/em&gt;

How exactly is it unreasonable? Galileo, Newton, Copernicus, et al. just made up a bunch of unreasonable crap too.

&lt;em&gt;-- The [sic] touts being a private pilot and a SCUBA diver as these [sic] &quot;huge accomplishments&quot;...&lt;/em&gt;

Thad never said they are huge accomplishments, he said they are &quot;things done&quot;. Personally, I think they are huge accomplishments, though the fact that you have done both of them diminishes them forever in my mind. Furthermore, he holds the advanced PADI certificate, a NITROS certificate and a Rescue Diver certificate. Do you? Also I get that you are not a genius!!!! There is no need to state the obvious.

&lt;em&gt;-- He&#039;s little more than a common theif...&lt;/em&gt;

Hmmm, he didn&#039;t just knock over a liquor store. Without breaking NDAs, let&#039;s just say there is more interest in his story than one would expect if his crime was common. He did not try to sell them on eBay, he tried to sell them to an international mineral and meteorite dealer. Get your facts straight.

&lt;em&gt;-- He is little more than a guy who had the world in his grasp...&lt;/em&gt;

If his heist had been successful, which it almost was, history (and you too probably) would have a very different take on things. Fate does not always favor the bold however.

&lt;em&gt;-- His Mormon family &quot;dis-owned&quot; [sic] him...&lt;/em&gt;

Good riddance to bad rubbish. That was their failure, not his. They rejected him long before he took the moon rocks, by the way.

&lt;em&gt;-- no moral compass...&lt;/em&gt;

Perhaps, but, as the Christian mythology states, &quot;let he who is without sin cast the first stone&quot; (or something to that effect)... 

&lt;em&gt;-- he befriended two guys who were both convicted of child molestation...(public record)...&lt;/em&gt;

Really? I&#039;d love to see that public record please. There is no need to hold up the bogey man of the big, bad child molester.

&lt;em&gt;-- he can never be more than a private pilot...&lt;/em&gt;

That is just not true. Having a felony conviction does not preclude one from getting a commercial pilot&#039;s license and actually making a living flying. You, as a fellow pilot, of course would know this.

&lt;em&gt;-- So he hypes it up...&lt;/em&gt;

There is no &quot;hype&quot; as you put it, he simply states his certificated level. Here, I&#039;ll quote the &quot;hype&quot; for your convenience: &quot;8. Earn High Performance Rating. – Out of Evanston WY, Exploring Flaming Gorge.&quot; If that&#039;s hype, then Thad definitely should not consider a job in advertising.

&lt;em&gt;-- Charles Manson was an out of the box thinker too...&lt;/em&gt;

Roger, you have a gift for hyperbole. I think it fair to say Charles Manson&#039;s crimes and Thad&#039;s crime were both different in kind and different in scale. You make a false analogy.

&lt;em&gt;-- Maybe he should give lectures on how gravity has kept him in prison.&lt;/em&gt;

Funny, really funny, I&#039;ll have to remember that one.

&lt;em&gt;-- Thad discovered a Dinosaur tooth once! Wow, so did my 8 year old son... while he was kicking rocks atoned [sic] the desert.&lt;/em&gt;

I suspect you did not find that a big deal either. Was your son&#039;s dinosaur tooth from a T-Rex? Probably not. Is your son&#039;s tooth in the permanent collection of a museum? Probably not.

&lt;em&gt;-- Thad Roberts is a phony and just trying to make his way in a scientific community that has rejected him....
&lt;/em&gt;

How is he a phony? I was unaware that the scientific community had rejected Thad. Actually, Thad is an active member of that very community and while everyone has not embraced his theory, the REAL criticisms have been both constructive and positive to the community as a whole which is much more than I can say for yours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All right, I wasn’t going to do this, but I changed my mind. Thad’s a big boy and can defend himself, but I feel I must address your personal attack on him. Let’s just look through your comment piece by piece:</p>
<p><em>– Thad is a joke… </em></p>
<p>Well put, well stated. You won’t be winning the Pulitzer any time soon.</p>
<p><em>– …just because someone makes up a bunch of crap…does not make it true, or even reasonable in this case.</em></p>
<p>How exactly is it unreasonable? Galileo, Newton, Copernicus, et al. just made up a bunch of unreasonable crap too.</p>
<p><em>– The [sic] touts being a private pilot and a SCUBA diver as these [sic] “huge accomplishments”…</em></p>
<p>Thad never said they are huge accomplishments, he said they are “things done”. Personally, I think they are huge accomplishments, though the fact that you have done both of them diminishes them forever in my mind. Furthermore, he holds the advanced PADI certificate, a NITROS certificate and a Rescue Diver certificate. Do you? Also I get that you are not a genius!!!! There is no need to state the obvious.</p>
<p><em>– He’s little more than a common theif…</em></p>
<p>Hmmm, he didn’t just knock over a liquor store. Without breaking NDAs, let’s just say there is more interest in his story than one would expect if his crime was common. He did not try to sell them on eBay, he tried to sell them to an international mineral and meteorite dealer. Get your facts straight.</p>
<p><em>– He is little more than a guy who had the world in his grasp…</em></p>
<p>If his heist had been successful, which it almost was, history (and you too probably) would have a very different take on things. Fate does not always favor the bold however.</p>
<p><em>– His Mormon family “dis-owned” [sic] him…</em></p>
<p>Good riddance to bad rubbish. That was their failure, not his. They rejected him long before he took the moon rocks, by the way.</p>
<p><em>– no moral compass…</em></p>
<p>Perhaps, but, as the Christian mythology states, “let he who is without sin cast the first stone” (or something to that effect)… </p>
<p><em>– he befriended two guys who were both convicted of child molestation…(public record)…</em></p>
<p>Really? I’d love to see that public record please. There is no need to hold up the bogey man of the big, bad child molester.</p>
<p><em>– he can never be more than a private pilot…</em></p>
<p>That is just not true. Having a felony conviction does not preclude one from getting a commercial pilot’s license and actually making a living flying. You, as a fellow pilot, of course would know this.</p>
<p><em>– So he hypes it up…</em></p>
<p>There is no “hype” as you put it, he simply states his certificated level. Here, I’ll quote the “hype” for your convenience: “8. Earn High Performance Rating. – Out of Evanston WY, Exploring Flaming Gorge.” If that’s hype, then Thad definitely should not consider a job in advertising.</p>
<p><em>– Charles Manson was an out of the box thinker too…</em></p>
<p>Roger, you have a gift for hyperbole. I think it fair to say Charles Manson’s crimes and Thad’s crime were both different in kind and different in scale. You make a false analogy.</p>
<p><em>– Maybe he should give lectures on how gravity has kept him in prison.</em></p>
<p>Funny, really funny, I’ll have to remember that one.</p>
<p><em>– Thad discovered a Dinosaur tooth once! Wow, so did my 8 year old son… while he was kicking rocks atoned [sic] the desert.</em></p>
<p>I suspect you did not find that a big deal either. Was your son’s dinosaur tooth from a T-Rex? Probably not. Is your son’s tooth in the permanent collection of a museum? Probably not.</p>
<p><em>– Thad Roberts is a phony and just trying to make his way in a scientific community that has rejected him….<br />
</em></p>
<p>How is he a phony? I was unaware that the scientific community had rejected Thad. Actually, Thad is an active member of that very community and while everyone has not embraced his theory, the REAL criticisms have been both constructive and positive to the community as a whole which is much more than I can say for yours.</p>
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		<title>By: Geo</title>
		<link>http://einsteinsintuition.com/2010/upcoming-lecture-april-19th/comment-page-1/#comment-316</link>
		<dc:creator>Geo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 05:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, I&#039;m guessing you and Roger are friends since you commented on Roger&#039;s comment before it was even published... More precisely, 10 minutes after it was submitted and from the same IP address. 

If you have some sort of criticism of QST, please voice it. Both Thad and I would be more than happy to address your concerns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, I’m guessing you and Roger are friends since you commented on Roger’s comment before it was even published… More precisely, 10 minutes after it was submitted and from the same IP address. </p>
<p>If you have some sort of criticism of QST, please voice it. Both Thad and I would be more than happy to address your concerns.</p>
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		<title>By: Geo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 05:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow... Let me ask you one question Roger. Have you actually looked into Thad&#039;s theory at all? If so, what is your criticism of it? If not, and you just want to bash Thad, over and over and over and over again, I&#039;d ask you to go someplace else to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow… Let me ask you one question Roger. Have you actually looked into Thad’s theory at all? If so, what is your criticism of it? If not, and you just want to bash Thad, over and over and over and over again, I’d ask you to go someplace else to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 01:11:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well...I&#039;m glad it was free!  I agree with Roger.  But Roger, get spell check would you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well…I’m glad it was free!  I agree with Roger.  But Roger, get spell check would you?</p>
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		<title>By: Roger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 01:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thad Roberts is a joke!  Seriously, just because someone makes up a bunch of crap and publishes it does not make it true, or even reasonable in this case.  The touts being a private pilot and a SCUBA diver as these &quot;huge accomplishments&quot;.  Big deal, I fly planes and SCUBA dive too, and trust me...I&#039;m no genius!!!!  He&#039;s little more than a common thief you got caught trying to sell stolen moon rocks on eBay!  How &quot;intelligent&quot; could he be?  Really??  He is little more than a guy who had the world in his grasp and just pissed it away because he is a moron.  His Mormon family &quot;dis-owned&quot; him after his CRIMINAL acts.  He obviously has no moral compass to determine right from wrong as his action have revealed.  When he was in the Lake County jail in Florida awaiting federal prosecution, he befriended two guys who were both convicted of child molestation...( public record)...so is this what &quot;out of the box thinkers&quot; do?  He can never be more than a private pilot because he&#039;s a convict.  So he hypes it up by saying he has a &quot;high performance pilots license&quot;. That just means he can fly a cesura with retractable landing gear and a adjustable propeller...certainly not &quot;Rocket Science&quot;...Charles Manson was an out of the box thinker too.  Maybe he should give lectures on how gravity has kept him in prison!  OMG!  Thad discovered a Dinosaur tooth once!  Wow, so did my 8 year old son...while he was kicking rocks atoned the desert.  Thad Roberts is a phony and just trying to make his way in a scientific community that has rejected him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thad Roberts is a joke!  Seriously, just because someone makes up a bunch of crap and publishes it does not make it true, or even reasonable in this case.  The touts being a private pilot and a SCUBA diver as these “huge accomplishments”.  Big deal, I fly planes and SCUBA dive too, and trust me…I’m no genius!!!!  He’s little more than a common thief you got caught trying to sell stolen moon rocks on eBay!  How “intelligent” could he be?  Really??  He is little more than a guy who had the world in his grasp and just pissed it away because he is a moron.  His Mormon family “dis-owned” him after his CRIMINAL acts.  He obviously has no moral compass to determine right from wrong as his action have revealed.  When he was in the Lake County jail in Florida awaiting federal prosecution, he befriended two guys who were both convicted of child molestation…( public record)…so is this what “out of the box thinkers” do?  He can never be more than a private pilot because he’s a convict.  So he hypes it up by saying he has a “high performance pilots license”. That just means he can fly a cesura with retractable landing gear and a adjustable propeller…certainly not “Rocket Science”…Charles Manson was an out of the box thinker too.  Maybe he should give lectures on how gravity has kept him in prison!  OMG!  Thad discovered a Dinosaur tooth once!  Wow, so did my 8 year old son…while he was kicking rocks atoned the desert.  Thad Roberts is a phony and just trying to make his way in a scientific community that has rejected him.</p>
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		<title>By: Geo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jun 2010 08:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is a very interesting point. As I think about complex system modeling or simulation (which I do from time to time--I need to get out more), I like to think of the universe as the computer that runs the simulation that we call &quot;reality&quot;, that is to say, the only accurate model of a system is at least as complex as the thing being modeled. Similarly, weather models tend to kind of fall flat because they are not complex enough, as their accuracy approaches a theoretical perfection, they must become as intricate and intractable as the weather they are trying to model. I suppose the trick is to somehow get at the higher level behavior of a complex system, but again, it is difficult, perhaps impossible, to distill systems down (or up) even though the underlying components may be quite simple... myriads of simple components can produce fantastically dynamic and incomprehensible behaviors. I will have to look into the paradox you mentioned as it seems to capture the things I have always thought about this sort of thing. Thanks for the comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is a very interesting point. As I think about complex system modeling or simulation (which I do from time to time–I need to get out more), I like to think of the universe as the computer that runs the simulation that we call “reality”, that is to say, the only accurate model of a system is at least as complex as the thing being modeled. Similarly, weather models tend to kind of fall flat because they are not complex enough, as their accuracy approaches a theoretical perfection, they must become as intricate and intractable as the weather they are trying to model. I suppose the trick is to somehow get at the higher level behavior of a complex system, but again, it is difficult, perhaps impossible, to distill systems down (or up) even though the underlying components may be quite simple… myriads of simple components can produce fantastically dynamic and incomprehensible behaviors. I will have to look into the paradox you mentioned as it seems to capture the things I have always thought about this sort of thing. Thanks for the comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Zaidi Ademeit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zaidi Ademeit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jun 2010 04:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bonini&#039;s Paradox says that models or simulations that explain the workings of complex systems are seemingly impossible to construct: As a model of a complex system becomes more complete, it becomes less understandable; for it to be more understandable it must be less complete and therefore less accurate. When the model becomes accurate, it is just as difficult to understand as the real-world processes it represents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bonini’s Paradox says that models or simulations that explain the workings of complex systems are seemingly impossible to construct: As a model of a complex system becomes more complete, it becomes less understandable; for it to be more understandable it must be less complete and therefore less accurate. When the model becomes accurate, it is just as difficult to understand as the real-world processes it represents.</p>
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